THE WAY THE TRUTH THE LIFE…

Some quotes I have gathered over the last few years listening to, about and reading people who are comparing C S Lewis to Jordan B Peterson.

“It’s because the bloody intellectual Leftists have never apologized for their complicity in the catastrophe’s of the 20th century.The Germans apologized, “Sorry for the  Nazi’s”, but the Left wing intellectuals say, “Oh, that wasn’t real Marxism”. Ok!, so how many corpses have to pile up around you before you’re willing to question your beloved ideological presuppositions and face your resentment, your narcism and desire for destruction” [Jordan Peterson]

The Left are now beginning to experience the victim side of their own “political correctness”.

The gap between Peterson’s obvious intelligence and the Left’s scathing denunciation of him as an alt-right idiot is simply too large for many on the left to ignore. The Left’s attack on Peterson is so unrelenting, so superficial, and quite frequently so vicious, that many of us who work ad/or live in left-leaning social environments feel scared to speak up against it. We don’t want to alienate our friends, damage our professional reputations, or attract the attention of fire-breathing activists.

The problem here is not simply that this is unpleasant for people like me. More importantly, our silence further impoverishes everyday political discourse by eliminating more nuanced left-of-centre voices. This, in turn, reinforces the already powerful trend toward weaponized hashtag ideology instead of serious political thought.

Peterson is just one example of this larger trend.  Viewed as such, the situation he represents is extremely concerning, and even dangerous. We desperately need a revitalized Left  that’s capable of speaking to today’s pressing issues of socio-economic inequality, environmental devastation, and spiritual malaise in informed, intelligent, and inspiring ways. Instead, we’re inundated by shallow ideological crusades dedicated to demonizing thoughtful conservatives like Peterson, who actually have something important to offer – just not on the issues that properly concern the Left.

Given my life-long identification with the social democratic (or, in U.S. terms, left-liberal) side of the political spectrum, I’ve reflected quite a bit on why my response to Peterson seems so out of step with dominant left-of-center discourse. It may be that I’m actually not as alone as it seems. Although I can’t prove it, I suspect that there are many others who feel as I do but are keeping quiet, as they don’t want to risk the blowback that comes with countering the often frightening force of today’s ideological tides.”

[Carol Horton]

The “political correctness” itself, and the intellectual suicide of the author is in the  sentence – “like Peterson, who actually have something important to offer – just not on the issues that properly concern the Left”. Unless the Left do concern themselves with the important, intelligent, and inspiring issues that Peterson is raising, and purposefully make them issues of the Left, then the Left will sink further and further into the mendacious swamp of irrelevance. “The Roman god’s became ridiculous when the Roman emperor’s became did. Political Correctness is the equivalent of Caligula’s horse” [unknown source]

The “rider” = the individual and the “elephant” = the group or the “ideological possession.” The movement of an individual from “rider” to “elephant” is an attempt to deflect or deceive. Peterson’s point was that you can hold individual’s responsible but you cannot hold groups responsible, simply because you can’t enforce the relationship between rights and responsibilities in groups without an elite group being introduced to do the enforcing. Terms like “white cultural hegemony” are used by individuals who want to avoid responsibility for their thoughts and actions by jumping across and into a group.

“I have been watching and listening to Dr Peterson’s posted lectures and videos for over a year now — they are addictive – because his profound depth of insight and articulate expression of the wisdom he has learned motivate and initiate personal introspection as well as an external search for “truth” in all the physical, intellectual and spiritual dimensions of living for anyone interested in examining their life and its meaning.
I have come to the conclusion that I am probably watching one of the most important and competently learned intellects of our time in his personal quest to understand and relate the physical, mental and spiritual dimensions of individual physiology in an effort to prevent Western Civilizations descent into the Marxist maelstrom he knows will be the inevitable result if he does not. ”[Tim Lott]

“In particular, much of my work over the last few years—the subject of my PhD research and also of my recently released book—has been concerned with biblical typology, with the ways in which biblical stories manifest deeper and meaningful patterns, patterns which give order to our lives in the present. Peterson’s interest in the psychological significance of Bible stories is addressing a similar issue from a different angle. He too recognizes that the meaning of the biblical narratives is deeper than their surfaces and that their patterns are worthy of close attention. Yet he attends to them in quite different ways from those in which I would usually do. This difference makes for stimulating interaction.

Peterson’s work raises many fundamentally religious questions. As I have argued, Peterson is seeking to articulate a post-nihilist and post-materialist view of reality that recovers existential meaning. We will fall short of appreciating his ability to speak with such power and passion into the contemporary situation if we do not grasp this. For Christians, we share a belief in a reality that sustains deep meaning. Yet we have often become lazy in interacting with atheists who lacked a strong belief in the meaningfulness of reality, so have failed to sharpen our account of this and to press it home well in our message. This is one area where I believe that we can fruitfully engage with.”

[Alastair Roberts]

“Dr. Peterson, over the last few years, has become the most articulate conservative intellectual on YouTube. I don’t mean merely that he has the largest audience, which he undoubtedly has. I mean that, intellectually speaking, he has a rapier mind. He is also as fearless as anybody I have ever seen in front of a camera. In the phrase I have loved for many years, he takes no prisoners.

What Dr. Peterson did to her will become a model in how to respond to a liberal who has not thought through his or her opinions, and who nonetheless goes on the offensive. This video has been seen all over the world. At present, there have been over 5 million viewers. This is not what Ms. Newman and her producer had expected. Most of the people viewing this video are her mortal ideological enemies. They are seeing what they have dreamed of, possibly for their whole adult lives: an articulate conservative verbally eviscerating a feminist in full public view.”

[Gary North]

“To me, who first approached Christianity from a delighted interest in, and reverence for, the best pagan imagination, who loved Balder before Christ, and Plato before Augustine, the anthropological argument against Christianity has never been formidable. On the contrary, I could not believe Christianity if I were forced to say that there were a thousand religions in the world of which nine hundred and ninety nine were pure nonsense and the thousandth (fortunately) true. My conversion, very largely, depended on recognizing Christianity as the completion, the actualization, the entelechy, of something that had never been wholly absent from the mind of man” [C S Lewis] and … “In the Trinity Term of 1929 I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all England. I did not then see what is now the most shining and obvious thing; the Divine humility which will accept a convert even on such terms. The Prodigal Son at least walked home on his own feet. But who can duly adore that Love which will open the high gates to a prodigal who is brought in kicking, struggling, resentful, and darting his eyes in every direction for a chance of escape? “

[C S Lewis]

compare this to …

“Whether one believes these stories and events are the Word of God, infallible and literal history, or whether one believes these stories and events capture an oral tradition going back countless millennia…in either case, it was kind of stupid of me to believe that there weren’t some tremendously important meanings in these stories beyond the surface.”[Jordan B Peterson]

“You can tell, if your’re listening, whether the ideas you are hearing are merely being passed through a person, as if they are being memorized or if they are part of the dynamic core of the person. If they are part of the dynamic core of the person then they are almost always engaging and gripping.” [Jordan Peterson]

“Evil is the production of suffering for its own sake” [Jordan Peterson]

“First question the frame of reference before you question what is derived from it.” [Jordan Peterson]

“There is intense pleasure in momentary domination, that’s why people do it all the time, but it’s no formula for long term reciprocal relationships.” [JP]

“In a sense what we’re doing is, we’re participating in the process of ‘articulating each other’s spirits’ and I mean that most technically…”[JP]

“People who believe that there is no reality outside of individual interpretation …the only point of human characterization is power … discrimination on the basis of competence is “fair discrimination, as opposed to “unfair discrimination” … It takes hard work and focus to build your model of the reality of anything into a high resolution, detailed picture that’s why ideologies are so dangerous, they look like the complete picture but they are not… We like things to be simple but distinguishing between simple and too simple is no easy matter… The unthinking adherence to compassion is not a virtue.”[Jordan B Peterson]

“Life isn’t a game. Life is a set of games. The rule is – never sacrifice victory across “the set of games” for victory in the one game. The winner is the one who gets invited to participate in the most games in most people’s lives over the longest time.”[JP]

“The person who has the most authority is the one who has voluntarily accepted the most suffering which is part of being”. [JP]

“The Kingdom of God” is the state which would be created by default if everyone were devoted to their individual state of “being in Christ”. [Dr Jordan Peterson]

“If you can posit an ideal, why can’t you posit the ultimate ideal?  Well if you can, then instantly you’ve got a religious sensibility.  Why have we got a religious instinct?  Because the idea that it’s mere superstition – we can just dispense with that – that’s just wrong.  There is some reason why that religious instinct exists.”[Jordan B Peterson]

“The difference between legislating what “I cannot say” and what “I must say” is critical.” [Jordan B Peterson]

“When you are going through a book like the Bible and you come across a phrase that you don’t understand, that actually means you missed something.  It doesn’t mean that that’s not germane to the story…it means you’re stupid.”[Peterson]

“It doesn’t matter what you say you believe, what matters is how you act out what you believe. And if you really want to find out what you believe you don’t ask yourself what you believe, you watch yourself act and you deduce from that what you believe.”[JP]

We should also note, with regard to those who impugn his scientific credibility, that Peterson’s “h-index,” or citation count in peer-reviewed articles and papers, is through the roof, some 8000 to date. This metric, which measures both quality and ubiquity, establishes Peterson as a leader in his field.[David Solway]

“The sense of meaningful engagement is the deepest of cognitive instincts and “meaningful engagement” is a marker that you are where you should be and doing what you should be doing” [JP]

““Life isn’t a game. Life is a set of games. …There is intense pleasure in momentary domination, that’s why people do it all the time, but it’s no formula for long term reciprocal relationships.” [JP]

The rule is – never sacrifice victory across “the set of games” for victory in the one game. The winner is the one who gets invited to participate in the most games in most people’s lives.”[JP]

“The person who has the most authority is the one who has voluntarily accepted the most suffering which is part of being”. [JP]

“The Kingdom of God” is the state which would be created by default if everyone were devoted to their individual state of “being in Christ”. [Dr Jordan Peterson]

“When you are going through a book like the Bible and you come across a phrase that you don’t understand, that actually means you missed something. It doesn’t mean that that’s not germane to the story…it means you’re stupid.”[Peterson]

“It doesn’t matter what you say you believe, what matters is how you act out what you believe. And if you really want to find out what you believe you don’t ask yourself what you believe, you watch yourself act and you deduce from that what you believe.”[JP]

Jordan speaks from his intellect and experience, and we have no way of telling, except from the fruit of his work, if his mind has been touched by the power of God’s Holy Spirit to include the access that Christ’s crucifixion gave us to His spiritual dimension.
Many comments he makes support, or are supported by, scripture, but in interviews he always avoids ceding intellectual authority to the spiritual dimension by psychological or philosophical definitions or theories, so if it is not the Holy Spirit speaking through him he will eventually reach the end of his intellectual potential because that will be all he has to draw from.
For those who do not have Christ and the Holy spirit interpreting his wisdom he is well worth listening to simply because he points people at the existence of the spiritual dimension which he admits has deeper resources to draw on.[me]

“It may be that a clear sense of the self can only crystallize around something transcendental in which case, our prospects look poor, for we are rightly committed to the rational” [Robert Bolt] … sums up in one sentence what Nietsche said when he limited the definition of “TRUTH” to reason and rationality and in so doing assumed that Christianity, by elevating “TRUTH” to the highest virtue, created, in the search for “TRUTH”, the undermining of the axioms of Christianity itself. The fact that he saw the “truth” of the Bible as being limted to “wisdom helpful only for the afterlife, and not for life and living today”  limited his view of the scriptures to “eternal insurance”, as opposed to being a Kingdom that is “at hand” [Matthew 4:17]

Jordan Peterson, Pastor Paul VanderKlay and Bolt are all saying – You can think that a clear sense of the individual “self” can only crystalize around something non-transcendental but humanities prospects can then only end in Nihilism, simply because if there is no supra-natural objective view of individuality then the most popular view of subjective conformity must prevail. TRUTH=GOD=reason and rationality because

I am also unsatisfied when JP uses biology or evolutionary psychology to float fuzzily on the infinite translations and meanings of the numinous to avoid his ignorance or to avoid his personal conclusions . But don’t we all ?, including pastors and theologians who at least have sufficient maturity to admit it. Mythology is often born of a mixture between naturalism and spirituality, unless you don’t believe in miracles and you have to believe in miracles to accept a virgin birth, see C S Lewis explaining that he was led to Christ by realizing that the virgin birth was a myth that had really happened in time and space.
I think you may have hastily interpreted JP incorrectly though, he is not a wolf in sheep’s clothing, I think he is a sheep in wolf’s clothing.

Are you ruling out the possibility that JP can be led to Christ by his biology or evolutionary psychology?

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